Продолжение ереси. Винтовочные гранаты.

[dargot]

Приветствую!

Продолжаю еретические писания.
Верните винтовочные гранаты!

Кто-то может сказать: да нафиг надо, 40-мм подствольники/гранатометы стреляют дальше и точнее.
Верно, но это специальное оружие, его может не быть по штату или просто под рукой.
Винтовочные гранаты и противопехотные гранатометы относятся примерно так же, как РПГ-7 и РПГ-26, одно другого не исключает.
Я точно НЕ БУДУ цеплять подствольник, отправляясь по своим связистским делам. А подсумок с винтовочными гранатами в машину можно и кинуть, как и одноразовый РПГ.
Это вспомогательное оружие с практически нулевым мертвым весом, надо пару гранат - берешь пару гранат (а не пару гранат и гранатомет в придачу).

Кто-то может сказать, что винтовочные гранаты опасны, если выстрелить боевым вместо холостого. Ну, старые да. Давно есть современные гранаты с ловушками для пули и даже с каналом для ее пролета, не требующие стрельбы холостым.

Кто-то может сказать, что "вы же все равно не умеете ими пользоваться", ну так не учите, вот и не умеем. Будут - научимся.

С уважением, Dargot.

P.S. Это я еще не упоминаю, что винтовочная граната имеет теоретически более мощную боевую часть, чем 40-мм граната, и разнообразную специальную боевую часть в ней легче реализовать.

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[andreasbauriedl.livejournal.com]

Sorry to only participate in this debate in English, my knowledge of Russian unfortunately remains limited.

Thank you for this interesting video that I did not know. I did not pay attention if it was indicated in the discussion, but this type of grenade is quite particular, and has certain advantages.

The term "APAV40" is broken down as follows:

- AP (anti-personal, in curved shot up to 400m)

- AV (anti-vehicle, including armored cars. Used in straight shot, for a maximum range of 100m, the grenade is supposed to pierce up to 12 cm of steel or 36 cm of concrete)

- 40 (40mm)

A model in service for almost 70 years in the French Army, mainly launched from the standard MAS-49/56 rifle, then its replacement, the FAMAS.

The initial model (F1), launched not by a "blank cartridge", but by a special propulsion cartridge (delivered with each grenade) called "feuillette", gave way to the F2 equipped with a "bullet trap", allowing it to be used with standard war ammunition.

If all the weapons of these 2 models, in service in a combat group, are capable of launching them, only 1 or 2 soldiers have the corresponding ammunition (unlike the spirit where only a dedicated weapon, the M203 or its heirs among the Americans, or the GP-30 and the AG-40 among the Russians, allowed it).

If this type of weapon seems outdated compared to specialized launchers (sometimes automatic), such as the Mk 19 and Mk 47, like the AGS-17, AGS-30 or AGS-40, the latter are heavy to implement, requiring rather transport by vehicle. Then, their vocation often remains anti-personnel, while the APAV is multifunctional.

The grenade launcher rifle represents for the infantry platoon leader a significant "fire support", with a range of 400 meters, with a minimum of 3 dedicated shooters, or even more.

An old tradition of the French Army! If its General Staff had ignored machine guns before 1914, thus giving a great advantage to the Imperial Army, the adoption at the beginning of the war of the V-B (Viven-Bessières) grenade launcher sleeve (or "blunderbuss"), adaptable to the Lebel rifle (then to all the standard rifles that followed it, including the MAS-36, and even to US rifles in 1917), and using already a "bullet trap", gave at the level of the infantry platoon (and company), a certain firepower.

There was one shooter per combat squad, in addition to a corporal shooter in the platoon lead squad. Depending on the situation (preparation for the assault or defense of a position), this corporal could direct the fire of all the VB shooters in the platoon, placed directly under his orders, allowing, with adequate supplies (8 grenades provided per weapon, according to the regulations, but more in practice), a fairly effective barrage of fire.

A highly prized and effective weapon: generally, a THIRD of the members of the "free platoons" ("Corps Francs") of the "trench cleaners", or of the special units responsible for raids were equipped with a Lebel VB, the best way to silence a "machine gun nest" while not exposing yourself.

Finally, in 1918, the standard French infantry company was equipped up to 24 VB grenade launchers.

Cordially.

[dargot.livejournal.com]

Bonjour!

Nice to hear you!
Thank you for your message, it is always very interesting to hear foreign users of some weapon, especially French! You know, in Russia many people know English, but very few — French (so do I), so, when I want to read about French history or military, i need to read english authors who often have biases or mistakes about non-english worlds. I think so because read them about Russian weapon or history:).

>If this type of weapon seems outdated compared to specialized launchers (sometimes automatic), such as the Mk 19 and Mk 47, like the AGS-17, AGS-30 or AGS-40, the latter are heavy to implement, requiring rather transport by vehicle.
Mk19 yes, its body weights 35kg, too heavy for infantry uses. But russian AGS-17 weights ~18kg body, ~12kg tripod and ~15kg each ammo box. Soviet infatry widely used it even in the Afghanistan's mountains. And AGS-17 allows you to fire indirectly, as light mortar. For now, when you can use UAV to find target and adjust your weapon, it is especially useful.

Underbarrel grenade launchers widely used too, but they make weapon very bulk and burdensome. I personally carried AK-74 with GP-25 for a two days and it was horrible. So there are makeshift stocks for use with GP separately from assault rifle.

Would you allow me another question about French Army — are light mortars like 52mm LGI Mle F1 or 60mm Brandt Mle 1935 still in use?

Cordialement, Dargot.

[andreasbauriedl.livejournal.com]

Sorry for the late reply !

I doubt that we will still use the Brandt 60mm mortar, theoretically abandoned, but there must still be some at the bottom of some depots of the Equipment Department. In case of ...

As for the mortar/individual grenade launcher ("Lance Grenades Individuel" = LGI), it is still in service and does not seem to have a successor planned.

It seems perfect for "concentration shots" on designated objectives (30 rounds per minute), when we have sufficient ammunition.

Cordially.

[dargot.livejournal.com]

Bonjour!

Thank you for you reply! It it very interesting that LGI is still in service — it is for now rather unique weapon system.

Cordially, Dargot.